r/facepalm 14d ago Golden Star 1 Silver 5 Helpful 2 Wholesome 1 'MURICA 2

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u/Acriam 14d ago edited 13d ago

Fun fact: Public executions didn't stop because of lack of popularity. It stopped because they found them ineffective.

Think if they started doing them again we'd all be shocked on just how many people would love to watch it.

Edit: Dan Carlin has a wonderful podcast called Painfotainment that covers this in detail for anyone curious on the matter. Dan's podcast is one of my favorites and he'll give you facts that'll be hard to believe.

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u/Elder_Scrolls_Nerd 14d ago

Death penalty in general isn’t a deterrent to crime either

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u/MasterOfKittens3K 14d ago

Most criminals don’t do a cost/benefit analysis before they commit the crime.

The exception, of course, is white collar criminals. Companies definitely consider the costs of getting caught versus the benefit of, for example, not having to pay for toxic waste disposal if you just dump it into the river.

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u/ArgumentSpecific1145 14d ago

So we should publicly execute people for stock manipulation? I'm not disagreeing, just asking.

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u/MaxTheRealSlayer 14d ago

Should probably at least do something, ANYTHING about it. But the SEC only gives out what equates to parking tickets.

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u/BoomZhakaLaka 14d ago

SEC should have oversight authority for egregious violators. An example of an agency that has oversight authority is FERC. The sanctions are significant enough that mid level executives can't screw around but like you said, cost of doing business in the board room. FERC will come in and dictate your new business objectives, and fine you 1.3 million dollars per day per violation until you comply.

Point being, the threat of losing control of your business to independent oversight, by a panel of compliance consultants, is what does it. To investors, existence of sanctions just means certain behaviors have a cost.

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u/SnideJaden 13d ago

Business fines as % of gross profit per X amount of days. Stock freeze and no dividend payouts for same days. The Company and investors need know there is punishment for supporting bad business.

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u/BoomZhakaLaka 13d ago edited 13d ago

Oversight authority is more powerful than any fine. That's why FERC's model works for now. 400mil for a year of fines pales in comparison to the government coming in & dictating where you will spend your capital.

But maybe, why not both?

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u/MasterOfKittens3K 14d ago

I’m not saying that we should publicly execute them. But we certainly need to increase the penalties for white collar crime. Make it have higher costs, and they will change their ways.

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u/smokinbbq 14d ago

You can't fine someone $1million if they saved $1billion from doing the wrong thing. Reverse those numbers, and then they may change. Also, if they want to pay these CxO's so much money, they should start to be held personally accountable as well.

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u/Kingjingling 14d ago edited 13d ago

I work for the distribution of Menards, And it's known that Menards purchase a large portion of property in America to dump all of their hazardous waste on because it's cheaper than transporting and destroying it legally. Much much cheaper just to dump it and pay the fine

The Ford pinto exploding lawsuits is another good example ford did the math and it's cheaper to pay out lawsuits of people that die from their exploding cars than to actually fix all the exploding cars

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u/gryphon088 14d ago

Absolutely but unfortunately true. It’s always about the bottom line. Cheaper to pay fines and lawsuits …. Well it’s a no brainer!

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u/d3rklight 13d ago

Fines for everything that hurts human lives should be limited to 10% of revenue and persist in a timely manner until that company rectifies the situation. If something like this existed, companies would think twice... no, three times before harming the public. But, as long as lobbying and election donations exist nothing would change in the US. Until then we will all be at the whim of big business.

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u/Jayhawker_Pilot 13d ago

I want the floor to be at a minimum of 10% of revenue not profits. And while the violation persist, senior management gets low pay and zero bonuses or stock options. That would bite then where it hurts.

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u/KimchiAndMayo 13d ago

My SO is from Michigan and adores Menards - is there a link about this I can show him?

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u/Kingjingling 13d ago

It's mostly buried an articles from 2011 where one guy poured weed killer in the parking lot. It's only pulling that up. I can't find the dumping site info. But basically would settle it in court and then on the books it would be done and cleaned up but they just keep dumping and until they get charged again, Everybody thinks that they stop doing it. if that makes sense.

Menards does a lot of shady things like I had to sign a waiver so that we can't sue them if we get cancer. The silicone dust in the bricks is thick in the air in the distribution center. Causes cancer. Thankfully I work away from that part of the site

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u/Acriam 14d ago

For the longest time people always thought public executions would do just that. But, of course, that was never the case.

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u/ReddityJim 14d ago

I remember reading people used to run up and try touch the corpses or in some cases get some of the blood. Could be a myth but yeah, shit became a spectator sport.

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u/insertwittynamethere 14d ago

Other fun fact: what he's describing as a public execution, where you bring and have a picnic to watch it, etc, is akin to what lynchings were in the South. Public spectacles with people congregating and eating. Take a look at a great, though heavy, book called Fire in a Canebrake. It's about one of the worst lynchings in the U.S., and it occurred not far from the city of Atlanta, just East of it.

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u/Wasdcursor 14d ago edited 13d ago

Fundamentalist thinking is appealing because it doesn't need further education. Throw a few hot-button topics and SHABLAMMO! Ready to rock and roll in front of a microphone.

Edit: now with added Shablam for me! https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx0TQraOUi_chVnWvXYch-NYw9OmyAhlkq

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u/lala__ 14d ago edited 13d ago

Until one of those issues affects them personally.

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u/OneX32 14d ago

"waddya mean my daughter can't get an abortion? I'm the father!"

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u/Madd-RIP 13d ago

Always better to keep those defective genes in the family, webbed feet are the special gift from our god

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u/DistractingDiversion 14d ago

That is the perfect onomatopoeia for what dropped out of that man's mouth

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u/lachneyr 14d ago

And too stupid to realize what he is actually saying.

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u/coned_miro 13d ago

The right's anti-intellectualism campaign is absolutely hilarious. Watching them complain about higher ed and turn around and complain about not getting better jobs will always be entertainment to me.

The person being interviewed in the video is a prime example of this at play.

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u/Outofspite_7 14d ago

Shablammo? Never heard that one before

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u/NorseGlas 14d ago

It’s kinda like Kersplat! Only different.

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u/lamaisondieu 14d ago

It takes the guesswork out of living.

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u/prophecygirl785 14d ago

They trust teachers with guns but not with textbooks and our own curriculum.

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u/LiteX99 14d ago

Yeah, guns cant make the kids democrats you know!

Oh wait...

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u/dramatic-pancake 14d ago

I know you’re being sarcastic but I wanna spell this out…

Bunch of Zoomers vote Democrat because: a) they see through the hypocrisy that is religion b) the economy fed by the Boomers has left them as second class financial citizens and, c) they grew up having to protect themselves against gun violence while the adults in the room did sweet FA other than offer thoughts and prayers.

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u/Fit_Force_3617 14d ago

While contributing factors, I think that other than the economy, those things are small potatoes. I think the bigger contributing factor as to why Zoomers vote democratic is the internet access. Gen Z has more access to multiple view points than any generation before it, and so old propaganda tactics don’t work as well anymore. In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics that zoomers seem to develop a more skeptical personality naturally.

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u/James-W-Tate 14d ago

In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics

I'm doing my part

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u/Fit_Force_3617 14d ago

America thanks you, kind sir.

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u/AldousShuxley 14d ago

It's ridiculous. And why is being a socialist a bad thing in USA? I could never get my head around that, socialist policies are what make some services like healthcare here in Europe so good. It's like having "BIDEN WANTS TO HELP PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME" on your t-shirt.

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u/SpaGrapefruit 14d ago

It's not but Americans don't get taught what exactly is socialism, marxism, leninism, communism etc. etc. so it's all communism for them.

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u/Rambo-the-Hambo 14d ago

Most people here don’t realize that socialism is a form of economics. They think it is a form of government. The ruling class has effectively relabeled “authoritarianism” to “socialism.” It’s pathetically ironic, because most Baby Boomers like this douche in the vid rely on our social programs to survive, like Social Security, Medicare, disability, worker’s compensation, etc. Our capitalism would collapse without the socialism that has been injected into it.

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u/henry25555 14d ago

My only guess is some Americans don't really know what socialism is and they think it's just another name for communism and that the soviets will take them over if they allow it to grow?

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u/Konijn_JP 14d ago

branding and advertising is everything in america.

Dont like the Affordable Care Act? Call it OBAMACARE. Vote to repeal obamacare! Use the hatred of Obama, and the inablity for people to immediately connect "ACA" to "OBAMACARE" and youre gold.

Dont like the policies of a group of people? find yourself a nice figurehead. its hard to get your userbased riled up against an idea, or a monolithic group. you need a figurehead or a constructed example. Think about presidents who get blamed for everything their party does, or how people love to hate their constructed example (boomers, karens, townies, hipsters)

If you want to inject socialism into the USA it needs branding and impact. you could call it Patriotism. After all it would be unpatriotic to have good hard working americans be unable to get healthcare, how could you call yourself a patriotic american who supports a strong america against the world if you willingly let your brothers in arms down?

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u/Marc123123 14d ago Silver Faith In Humanity Restored

Fuuuckin hell 🤦‍♂️

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u/Charming-Farm 14d ago

I started writing a whole thing but saw your comment and went yeah, that about sums it up.

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u/Marc123123 14d ago edited 13d ago

Longer I live, more I see, the stronger conclusion:

People should take a compulsory test before being allowed to breed. Otherwise the humanity is fucked.

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u/Sid15666 14d ago

I had a sticker on my motorcycle helmet that read “ There is no life guard on the gene pool” people at work would ask me about it all the time. I was always polite and explained but figured if they didn’t understand what that meant it applied to them.

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u/RalphFromSilverCity 14d ago

My parents' friend Gene had a pool. No lifeguard there either.

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u/yidpunk 14d ago

My aunt Jean had a pool. I remember raccoons would get into it all the time, and nobody wanted to swim in that pool because sometimes there’d be dead raccoons in there. And no, there wasn’t a lifeguard. There should’ve been. If there was, maybe there wouldn’t be so many dead raccoons. Maybe the lifeguard should’ve been a raccoon. Can you imagine a raccoon lifeguard? How cute would that be? I don’t really know what this has to do with human reproduction, but whatever. Now I’m just picturing a raccoon lifeguard in a little bathing suit.

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u/Dazedsince1970 14d ago

I had one on an old vehicle in the late 90’s that said “The Gene pool could use some chlorine”.

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u/for_the_peoples 14d ago

How many do you think will pass those tests?

Humanity is fucked either way.

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u/Not_no_hitter 14d ago

This might sound like a good idea at first, but, this is exactly how you pave the road for eugenics.

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u/geon 14d ago

“Pave the road”? That is eugenics.

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u/_starblender_ 14d ago

What about incentive-based eugenics?

Get a vasectemy? Free tickets to an all-expenses-paid rainbow trout fishing trip with Kid Rock.

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u/ContessAlin78 14d ago

See that's no good. I was considering one, now I am afraid of I get snipped, someone will make me go fishing with Kid Rock.

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u/Sponxy 14d ago

Lifetime supply of Bud Light if you get a vasectomy.

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u/Solecism_Allure 14d ago

*Lifetime supply of Brawndo...

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u/Fragholio 14d ago

It's got electrolytes.

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u/elleusesreddit 14d ago

This man makes me think that maybe eugenics can be good sometimes.

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u/rawrcutie 14d ago

In theory it's brilliant! Execution can be problematic.

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u/barbouk 14d ago

Execution might be problematic, but you can solve that with PUBLIC execution!

Haven't you watched the video?

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u/KevinFromIT6625 14d ago

No no, nothing problematic about executions! Bring your lunch, your favorite drink, come on down it'll be a good time for the whole family

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u/elleusesreddit 14d ago

Luckily this moron is a supporter. I'm sure he'd happily volunteer!

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u/HeroKing2 14d ago

It's startling how many people miss that forcing those they deem too weak or stupid to not breed is not gonna do anything to stop people from becoming idiots. There's a million ways to be rendered stupid despite good genes and nobody making any mistakes and no way to stop or reverse it and you can't just educate someone who is incapable of learning.

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u/lonelygayPhD 14d ago

That's exactly it. I also have people who didn't start this way--they were reasonable, level-headed, and kind when I knew them years ago--and I wonder what series of events got them to this place.

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u/bgause 14d ago

And who exactly gets to be in charge of the test? And based on what criteria? Very, very bad idea.

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u/josh_the_misanthrope 14d ago

Just one of those kids toys where you put different shape blocks in matching holes.

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u/MrMastodon 14d ago

Everyone goes through the square hole. No exceptions.

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u/walkinganachronism_4 14d ago

Except for the part, where everything goes in, say it with me, "THE SQUARE HOLE!"

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u/mizino 14d ago

Basically how we got the “voting tests” from the Jim Crowe days.

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u/HowYoBootyholeTaste 14d ago

The last eugenics patient in the US was in 1981. Even now, immigrants say that they were sterilized. Eugenics is much closer than people think, Americans toying with the idea seems very American to me

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u/acomputeruser48 14d ago

What happens when the people who decide breeding rights are like the dude in the red shirt here?

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u/helgihermadur 14d ago

Dude, no, terrible idea. This is eugenics and it never ends well. Just look at what happened to the Inuits, or the Native Americans.
Save the public school system, combat misinformation, give people an honest chance to escape poverty and they'll be smart enough not to fall for these hideous 18th century ideas like what the guy in the video is describing.
You can't control whether people have children anyway without forced sterilization, which is a human rights abuse for a very good reason.

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u/HermitJem 14d ago

Save the public school system, combat misinformation, give people an honest chance to escape poverty

So we're basically doomed then

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u/MyDogHasAPodcast 14d ago

So we're basically doomed then

Always have been.

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u/drunkenstyle 14d ago

The type of intellectually vulnerable and easily manipulated sucker the Republicans are targeting

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u/Phitos2008 14d ago

Will there be a point in time when humans will stop acting like that? How come a person still sees the world as if we’re living in the dark ages? And there are billions of people like him out there, everywhere, making life miserable to everyone else.

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u/Daxx22 14d ago

Ironically as a collective species we've become too smart for our own good. Evolutionarily speaking we're almost identical to human from 10,000 years ago but our technological development is so much further from that time (and accelerating!).

But it all works on averages of course, and with our massive population explosion you end up with literally billions of people on the... less then intelligent side of the equation.

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u/Pacific__Rim__Job 14d ago

Doubt it. Check out the comments on Bidens Assault rifle statement—- people are absolutely livid they may not have access to. . . Assault rifles?

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u/samaniewiem 14d ago

The worst is, my father is just like that. But he's Polish and he's never been to 'murica. Damn.

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u/xsissor 14d ago

Unfortunately no, this is actually America. Probably the south. Pretty close though!

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u/Roam_Hylia 14d ago

My favorite quote from The Crow (comics)

Sarah: Is this hell?

Eric: No, but you can see it from here.

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u/Sea_Entrepreneur6204 14d ago

Don't know why these guys hate the Taliban, they agree on more than what they disagree on.

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u/KinkyK415 14d ago

Howdy Arabia

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u/_Citizen_Erased_ 14d ago Starry

Y'all Qaeda

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u/rawwwse 14d ago edited 14d ago

“Y’all Qaeda vs Meal Team 6”, a harrowing tale of the Gravy Seals and Dessert Storm… Battle for world retardation!

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u/Panda_Kabob 14d ago

Oh come now... You know why. We all know why.

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u/dramatic-pancake 14d ago Gold Wholesome 'MURICA

Is it.. is it cos they is brown?

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u/americanerik 14d ago edited 14d ago

Oh come on, you really think Christian Nationalists care more about skin color than religion? Hardcore Christian nationalists will put their faith above all else- do you really think someone obsessed with salvation and damning others wouldn’t look on Islam, especially the Taliban, in utter hatred?

Christian nationalists hear “other God/faith” and go full stop. They won’t even begin to hear other factors before unleashing their hatred. Do they hate brown? Assuredly…but do they hate non-Christians more? Of course…what a Reddit-esque outlook to think Christian extremists are more put off by skin color than Islam

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u/dpistachio 14d ago

My dad is convinced my boss is going to murder me in my sleep because she committed the heinous act of being born in Iran, so Brown is sometimes the answer too.

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u/RosabellaFaye 13d ago

Ffs Iran is actually probably one of the more secular states in the middle east because of how disgusted people are with their Islamic "Republic's" regime.

Iran is also one of the best educated in the area despite being a theocratic dictatorship.

Tons of people are defying the regime these days.

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u/mowgli96 14d ago

For someone who claims to be a veteran of desert storm he sure seems like he would have enjoyed living under Suddam Husain.

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u/Ravin88 14d ago

Coming from someone that's never watched another person die.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

No no, it's an execution not a murder

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u/punkpoppenguin 14d ago

Time for an abortion rebraaaaand

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u/Seasick_Sailor 14d ago

Public abortions? Grab your favorite lunch and everybody can watch!

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u/Quantum-Door 14d ago

BaByQ Party on Sundays...

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u/UWontAgreeWithMe 14d ago

I want my babyback-babyback-babyback ribs

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u/halnic 14d ago

I laughed far too hard at that. It's a good thing I don't believe in hell because we'd both be oow there.

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u/Sutarmekeg 14d ago

Don't forget your favourite drink.

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u/Deep_Accident_4853 14d ago

Abortion? No no, we are just doing an execution your Honor. It's perfectly legal.

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u/armas187 14d ago

I got my mojito!

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u/Leupateu 14d ago

Abortion is execution, not murder.

Now suddenly republicans are pro abortion

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u/TheUmgawa 14d ago

I keep saying we should start referring to school shootings as late-term abortions, because then maybe Republicans would be interested in stopping them.

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u/Beingabummer 14d ago

They don't want to stop it because they care lol. They want to stop abortions to control women. The fact the idea is that conservatives need to be tricked into caring about stopping school shootings tells you everything you need to know about their level of interest in children's lives.

Maybe they should invent a way to publicly execute an unborn baby with a gun, that might win some over.

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u/Falin_Whalen 14d ago

"If you're preborn you're fine; if you're preschool you're F-cked." - George Carlin.

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u/UKTech-Dave 14d ago

Foetuses are just uteral trespassers. That'll get 'em on board!

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u/Beingabummer 14d ago

Uteral illegal aliens.

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u/mistercrinders 14d ago

How many people died in desert storm?

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u/Ravin88 14d ago

About 80,000 odd iirc

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u/HowardStark 14d ago

The upper estimate for Iraqi deaths in Desert Storm is 70k. Coalition forces had fewer than 300 deaths.

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u/Ravin88 14d ago

So wasn't too far off.

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u/Kamataros 14d ago

Hey, he's probably seen die hard or something.

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u/TreeDollarFiddyCent 14d ago

Great movie 🇱🇷

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u/SonicSingularity 14d ago

Liberia, fuck yeah

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u/TreeDollarFiddyCent 14d ago

Oh right, my mistake!

🇲🇾

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u/binaryplayground 14d ago

Malaysia, fuck yeah!

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u/Lemmungwinks 14d ago

Coming through to save the mother fucking day yeah!

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u/Nation1ne 14d ago

One of the best Christmas films ever made.

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u/Zombie13a 14d ago Helpful

Its not Christmas season until I see Hans Gruber fall off Nakitomi Tower

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u/Potential-Wish-9723 14d ago

Everyone talks about Die Hard as a Christmas movie, but never my favorite Christmas movie, Gremlins.

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u/Roh_Pete 14d ago

Yippee ki yay mother fucker!

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u/youlleatitandlikeit 14d ago

So I'm not for the death penalty, but first the introduction of private executions and then the introduction of lethal injections rather than the electric chair increased the number of people sentenced to the death penalty.

Making deaths private and less gory makes them more palatable to the public and to the jurors deciding sentencing.

Switching back to public executions would probably reduce the number of people sentenced to death each year.

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u/navikredstar2 14d ago

I'm not so sure, this country has a horrible history of public lynchings that were treated as family fun picnics while people were strung up and burned to death. They used to make commemorate postcards of them.

People like this would love a return to that.

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u/astroskag 14d ago

"Bring back public execution" in a country where black people are falsely convicted of murder 7.5x more often than white people is basically just "I miss when we got to lynch them instead."

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u/pete_68 14d ago

Sounds like this fella is born to live in Saudi Arabia. Someone get him a 1-way ticket, please.

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u/taggospreme 14d ago

"Southy Arabia?? But they're COMMUNISTS"

-him, probably

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u/makeinstall 14d ago

He's watching himself die every time he looks in the mirror. It's just slowly and with food

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u/OhMyGecko 14d ago

"You've never seen death? Look in the mirror every day and you will see it like bees working in a glass hive."

Jean Cocteau

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u/elleusesreddit 14d ago

His hat says "Desert Storm Veteran." So he probably really does enjoy watching people die in front of him.

Edit: missed a word

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u/HippieHomestead4455 14d ago

Very, very, very few of the service members involve in DS ever saw direct combat. It was a brief war of complete technological domination. Most US military was largely out of harm’s way during the entire operation.

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u/False-Guess 14d ago

That man is a walking advertisement for not exposing children to lead.

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u/hesaysitsfine 14d ago

And he votes!

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u/False-Guess 14d ago

Another good idea: This man as a walking advertisement for voter registration.

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u/ManicRobotWizard 14d ago Wholesome Ally

I think the real solution would be public abortions.

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u/PM-me-in-100-years 14d ago

Should have asked him if all of the kids should have guns too.

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u/Pharaoh_Misa For the love of godddd! pls! `Orz 14d ago

Aside from the fact that he is backwards and hypocritical...he thinks that public executions should be a passtime. Like the good ole days. 😬

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u/PeaceBull 14d ago

Like the good ole days

I was in Mobile, Alabama for less than an hour before I met a handful of locals that were shamelessly bringing up that they were bummed lynching wasn’t legal.

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u/throwaway2454838 14d ago

Alabama is nuts.

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u/-nocturnist- 14d ago

Yea and currently they have a problem with their executions, the last 3 failed

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u/spacefurl 14d ago

Sounds like 3 people should get a nice luxury stay of execution for having their constitutional rights trampled. That’s just torture.

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u/profound_whatever 14d ago

Understatement of the century, h'yuck.

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u/Frohirrim 14d ago

Mobile, Alabama

Lived there for seven years. Talk about a whole shit load of people who have honestly never stopped wishing for Civil War Part 2 since their greatgrandpappy got Tecumseh'd. Did people think the south rising again was ever going to be an economic or science victory?

And this culture shock was after living elsewhere in the south for 11 years

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u/LiverOfStyx 14d ago

My grandaunt lived there for most of her life, came back to Finland for the last decade and a half. As a kid i thought that it sounded really funky, kind of like Automobile Alabama and i liked cars. I assumed that it must be heaven on earth. Boy, was i surprised when internet happened and i started hearing about Mobile as a punchline for a joke about something racist, backwards and white trash. I don't know if my dear aunt was racist, i doubt it, the subject never came up. And i know that thinking "she was so lovely and fun" is not a proof, cause.. lovely old ladies that are so warm and hospitable can suddenly spew out a "monkey" from her mouth and not think twice it is fucking evil.

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u/Concrete_Grapes 14d ago

*squints*

I know you just said Alabama, but I swear to god you MEAN Idaho... right? Because that happens in Idaho too.

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u/wetblanketdreams 14d ago

Idaho is so disappointing.. beautiful state but ugly people

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u/Joker5500 14d ago

I had been considering moving and Idaho was high on the list. Sandpoint area is one of the prettiest places I've seen.

Then we drove to Bonners Ferry and there was a big billboard right as we got to town that said "Welcome to Trump County. We love guns, God, freedom, and family."

My husband joked, "in that order?"

Then we went to a cute little cafe and everyone was in a heated discussion about how someone needed to assassinate that communist dictator, Biden.

Needless to say, Idaho is out

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u/Bmantis311 14d ago

Why have lynching when you can have The Running Man game show instead.

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u/liskamariella 14d ago

I have a question. Isn't it possible in America to watch a execution or is it just for relatives of the human who gets killed?

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u/don3dm 14d ago

There’s a micro number of executions actually carried out in the US. There’s a very small list of people allowed to be present. They aren’t open to general public.

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u/stomponator 14d ago

Like the good ole days.

While you are at it, bring back the really gruesome stuff, like torture with hot blades for a couple of hours before killing them, then put the bodies in gibbets and hang them from the church tower. You know, anabaptist-style.

That is always good fun, so bring your little ones and buy some popcorn.

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u/Doulifye 14d ago

If he want the good ole days, the package includes disease, famine and probably others fun shit i forgot.

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u/ghost882 14d ago

If this guy would be in charge, you can bet that the famines and diseases are coming, since I'm 100% sure that he also thinks science and medicine is bullshit.

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u/C_Hawk14 14d ago

Should make it interactive and a physical exercise. I think throwing stones at an evil wrongdoer will suffice.

With the stones of the churches they adore.

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u/Btothek84 14d ago

YEAH…. Fuck the way he said yeah really made me more angry that it should….

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u/Otherwise-Extreme-68 14d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Sounds like he would prefer living in the middle east

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u/thechadez 14d ago edited 14d ago

I was in Iraq for 4 years working, abortions are legal.

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u/Otherwise-Extreme-68 14d ago

I was referring more to the public executions, but thanks thats actually quite interesting to learn that. Who knew middle eastern countries have more freedoms than Americans in some respects

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u/thechadez 14d ago

Wanna hear something funnier? The Iraqies the US was bombing have free healthcare...

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u/paopaopoodle 14d ago

I was referring more to the public executions...

Turkey abolished executions and Israel hasn't carried out an execution since the 60's, while Tunisia hasn't executed anyone since 1990 and Morocco hasn't executed anyone since 1993.

Qatar only executed 1 person in the past 20 years and it wasn't in public.

Oman has executed 3 people in 20 years, and none publicly.

The UAE has executed 4 people in the past decade, and none of them were in public either.

The only Middle Eastern nations that are really executing people and doing so in public are Iran and Saudi Arabia. Those two kill quite a lot of people though.

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u/2nnMuda 14d ago

Almost like alot of Americans have a specific view of us due to certain propaganda, not the people's fault obviously but just sad, thank you man

Almost like alot of the shit happening in saudi arabia and iran is just text book conservatism

Anyway i hope we can go back to decriminalising The LGBT community soon lol

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u/Quiddity360 14d ago

He tried for a bit, but Uncle Sam brought him back and gave him a cap.

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u/PullinUpBootstraps 14d ago

Uncle Sam didn't give him that cap, he bought that cap.

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u/Darlington28 14d ago

He got the cap to honor his nephew, who hates him and is on his 4th deployment

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u/more_random22 14d ago

To desert storm?

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u/Drakath2002 14d ago

Not all parts of the middle East believe in public executions, but funnily (or depressingly) enough the parts that do very much are like the Republican states, just lunatics that make their religion their entire personality but also follow their own self beneficial interpretation of it instead of the proper way and giving everyone else a bad rep

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u/Cryptix001 14d ago

These maniacs are trying to turn the US into the Middle East of the west. Theocracy, laws based on their interpretation of their religion, and public executions. I'm sure they'd support the cutting off of hands for shoplifting.

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u/ChampionshipLow8541 14d ago

Yeah. Bring your favorite drink, bring your family, and have a fun day out while watching heads fall off and blood spill everywhere.

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u/Human_Activity5528 14d ago

John Wayne carried a gun all the time.... This guy lives in a Western movie

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u/soldinio 14d ago

John Wayne would never use a surge protector!

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u/tsar_David_V 14d ago

John Wayne was also racist, a bigot, and a valor-stealing draft-dodger. Seems to fit the bill

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u/theoccasionallunatic 14d ago

Every day is mental gymnastics day

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u/starserval 14d ago

This isn’t even mental gymnastics. He straight up cannot make the connection. The mental gymnastics comes after his worldview is contested.

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u/tunczyko 14d ago edited 14d ago Gold Take My Energy

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate, because I believe that in order to effectively argue against viewpoints, we first need to understand them. and I think people here are misunderstanding some things about his worldview, as I don't see the contradiction others seem to.

he's for the death penalty because he believes that a person may forfeit their right to life by committing particular criminal acts. independently of that, he also believes that a human being is created upon conception, and therefore terminating a pregnancy is a murder.

what my understanding of what people are missing about his view is, is that not every killing is a murder. murder (according to some, anyway) is a premeditated, unlawful killing of another human without a valid reason. in his view then, capital punishment isn't murder, as it is carried out within the boundaries of the law and for a good reason. soldiers who stick to the rules of engagement also aren't murderers. but he argues that there can be no valid reason to terminate a pregnancy, which combined with the personhood of a fetus leads to the conclusion that abortion is murder.

with this understanding, I can argue against his views on the point that there are valid reasons to put someone to death, that there are no valid reasons to terminate a pregnancy, and on the personhood of a fetus. but just boiling it down to "you're pro-life but support death penalty" isn't going to get us anywhere IMO.

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u/Shokuryu 14d ago

That's a pretty justifiable take. I do however think the point of this man still not even attempting to connect the dots even if it's not their viewpoint still highlights the issue well enough with the kind of people who take any closed-minded worldview, whether they end up ultimately right or wrong. Unlike you who has just tried their best to explain and justify the opposing view, it's highly likely this man hasn't even begun to think about it to have a discussion any deeper than what was displayed. At the very minimum, people who seem to whole-heartedly support their dissenting opinion should have some perspective of both sides to understand what they are saying doesn't make sense (nor does it look great) to others who don't agree, making him look like an idiot to said people (and why this was upvoted a lot).

But since we are already talking several levels deep about someone who likely has not escaped surface level, this is the extent of said speculation. You brought a really fair point and I completely support your devil advocate take, showing people it is much harder (but essential) to understand and contest an undeveloped but still entrenched opinion, than it is to simply have one.

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u/UnRichieUnRich21 14d ago

If “uneducated” was an accent this is it

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u/Dvorozhetskii 14d ago

Funny thing is he doesn't even realise the irony even when it's in front of him.

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u/nyxnars 14d ago

Absolutely no clue

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u/oddspellingofPhreid 14d ago Silver

I don't think it's necessarily ironic. His thinking is pretty straightforward.

Premise 1: Murder is defined as the killing of innocent people.

Premise 2: fetuses are "innocent people"

Premise 3: death row inmates are not "innocent people"

Using these premises, we can see that abortion is clearly murder, while executions clearly aren't.

Now, I don't particularly agree with the premises because I'm a lefty pinko (death row inmates are not necessarily guilty, fetuses are not necessarily people, murder is not necessarily defined purely by the deeds of the victim), but for commenters to play dumb and pretend that this is some sort of mind boggling leap in logic reflects poorly on the commenter imo. The logic is pretty coherent, even if it's not convincing.

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u/mogeek 14d ago

It’s a bit disappointing that I had to scroll through a few threads to find someone acknowledge his logic - while illogical in my book, it’s still obvious why abortions are murder to him and executions should be ramped up and put on display (scare other baddies from doing bad things).

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u/capnmasty 14d ago

This is actually a perfect explanation of what is going on here.

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u/HanglebertShatbagels 14d ago

In his mind, there's no irony because killing people he doesn't like doesn't count as murder. Babies are innocent, but homosexuals deserve to burn in a town square. It's heinous, yeah. But snickering at his misunderstanding is also stupid when he understands perfectly well... he just doesn't give a fuck.

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u/suxatjugg 14d ago

Yeah, don't let these fucks off easy. It's not stupidity, it's hate.

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u/Admirable_Gap_6357 14d ago

I'm in the UK, and once was forced into an extremely depressing argument with some very educated women about how the Government are too soft on criminals, and we should be more like the Saudis and chop hands off for theft. I can't begin to fathom how supposedly intelligent people become so hateful of their fellow man, and resentful of basic human rights. The mind boggles.

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u/awebradisek 14d ago

Imagine being wrongfully accused of theft and having your arm chopped off by an officer that didn't bother to investigate.

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u/AlabasterPelican 14d ago

🤦‍♀️ I swear to God we're not all that stupid.

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u/BillyTheSaint 14d ago

At this point it's kinda hard to believe that

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u/BeatYoDickNotYoChick 14d ago

These people are so backwards they'd turn America into your average Middle Eastern country.

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u/Bishime 14d ago

But also complain about immigration because they think that the immigrants will change the country…

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u/TheMighty25 14d ago

Immigrants complaining about immigration

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u/paopaopoodle 14d ago

Your average Middle Eastern country isn't what you imagine it is. Most countries in the Middle East rarely ever carry out death penalties, and many have conditions that allow abortions under necessary circumstances.

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u/Urbanyeti0 14d ago

Big brain thinking

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u/Apprehensive-Way3394 14d ago

He votes folks. Never forget why your vote does count.

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u/coffeewiththegxds 14d ago

I use to say “I hate this place.” …but it’s really that I hate the people in this place. Jesus! SMH

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u/Shinfekta 14d ago

„No I want them there“

That argument is golden, shitty, but golden

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u/Hans_Wermhat666 14d ago Silver

How about public abortions?!

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u/askmeifimacop 14d ago

I wanna give all the teachers brainwashing our kids with liberal ideologies a gun!

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u/Electronic-Trip8775 14d ago

Desert Storm fucked him up.....maybe.

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u/intellix 14d ago

what has Biden said that's racist and bigotry? cause I assume he's a massive Trump supporter and the stuff he has said...

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u/arcaster42 14d ago

Literally describing the most extreme Middle East regimes. Theocracy in America would be no less different, barbaric, and oppressive run by Christians than the worst regimes and organizations in the Middle East.

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