r/LeopardsAteMyFace 14d ago Wholesome 2

Never forget the OGs.

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u/blacklite911 14d ago

There’s an HBO Miniseries based on a book called “The Plot Against America” about an alternate history where FDR lost and elected a Nazi sympathizer president. In it there’s a conservative Rabbi who falls in with the America First administration only to later realize he’s been used as a tool to make them look legitimate and that they actually hate Jews.

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u/Rodriguezry 14d ago

Based a lot of that character on this guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Rumkowski

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u/TwistyMissTea 13d ago

According to Dr. Edward Reicher, a Holocaust survivor from Łódź, Rumkowski had an unhealthy interest in children.

Something tells me he was beaten and lynched when he arrived to the concentration camp for many reasons. Guy was an all around bastard as well as a traitor to his people.

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u/Thedaggerinthedark 13d ago

You would be correct. Beaten to death in front of one of the crematorium.

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u/koushakandystore 13d ago

Traitor to the human race

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u/Vostok-aregreat-710 13d ago

Nonce?

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u/koushakandystore 13d ago

Yes, definitely a nonce. In America the prison term is chomo.

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u/TwistyMissTea 13d ago

I’m not sure what nonce means in relation to what I wrote. I’ve been in a light food coma since yesterday though.

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u/koushakandystore 13d ago

Nonce means pedophile in the British prison system. In the United States the prison term for pedophile is chomo.

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u/TwistyMissTea 13d ago

Today I learned something new. Thank you.

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u/koushakandystore 13d ago

I always figure it’s been a successful day when I’ve learned something new. I’m in my 40’s and it’s still rare that a day goes by when I don’t learn some new fact or theory. Even 1 measly word or concept a day really adds up. Especially since some days are overflowing with new information.

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u/triclops6 14d ago

Thanks for sharing this

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u/blacklite911 13d ago

Ugh, despicable. And it’s funny how they always throw them in the trash after they’re done with them. People need to learn from this

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u/Adestimare 13d ago edited 13d ago

Incredibly sad story, but hot damn, he's like the poster child for this sub EDIT: Stop downvoting people adding to the discussion.

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u/blacklite911 13d ago

He IS lol. Like an original

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u/butyourenice 14d ago edited 13d ago

Is there a name for this? A person who sells out their people in hopes of ingratiating themselves to the enemy, who ultimately is harshly reminded of their status in the eyes of that enemy. My mind always goes to quisling, but Quisling was just a run of the mill traitor.

It’s a step further and more specific than “useful idiot”. “Sycophant” doesn’t cover the treacherous nature of it either.

Edit: whoa, certainly did not expect so many great suggestions. Thanks everybody!

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u/SombreMordida 13d ago

i generally feel "backstabbing shitbag" or "cowardly bootlicking kapo swine" cover it, but "traitorous groveling sub-toadie" feels fun to say

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u/DutchTheCowboyCat 13d ago

Kapo probably works quite nicely in this sort of scenario

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo

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u/LeoMarius 13d ago

Quisling is the first word that comes to mind. A collabo is what the French called them.

Dathan (Edward G. Robbins) from The Ten Commandments is a good example.

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u/PolarisC8 13d ago

Quisling is specifically a traitor to his people who works with an invading enemy. Less the irony of forwarding someone's goals against oneself without realising.

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u/anoneenonee 13d ago

Collaborator is what they called the French who sucked up to the Nazis after they invaded. I think that fits pretty well

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u/GonzoVeritas 13d ago

Judas Goat - In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared.

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u/Unistrut 13d ago

Except these guys aren't spared, they just get put a little farther back in the line.

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u/ayures 13d ago

"Kapo" a specific term that Jewish people use for it, but personally as a non-Jew I don't really feel comfortable using it.

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u/blacklite911 13d ago

Same, they call them Uncle Tom /Ruckus in the black community but it’s kinda only reserved for the black community

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u/AsinusRex 13d ago

I get your feeling, but it has become a more general label for a member of a group that is given power over their own people by an external aggressor and abuses it.

Maybe because I'm Jewish it sounds less loaded to me.

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u/Daewoo40 13d ago

Collaborator was the title used for the Danes who aided the Nazis (Danish collaborator trial) during the period around WW2.

So speculatively that would cover it.

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u/calilac 13d ago

"Collaborator" with extra vitriol in the voice.

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u/StinkyKyle 13d ago edited 13d ago

It always gives me "Pick me" vibes.

"Ya most of my group is bad, but not me, right guys? I'm one of the good ones!"

Edit: not model minority, thats a totally different thing

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u/Ridara 13d ago

No. 35 people upvoted this shit? You do not use the term "model minority" like this.

"Model minority" refers to the very real and very harmful stereotypes that white people have towards Asians. We can't ask for a healthy work-life balance because we're the "hard-working" ones. If our kids get into Harvard on merit, you see, they're actually just there to pad the numbers. Our women need to be properly submissive, not like those angry black women.

We're treated better than blacks and Latinos but not as well as whites, and we're also constantly being reminded that that can be taken away from us at any moment unless we follow a set of increasingly arbitrary rules. That does a real number on your mental health.

Please educate yourself.

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u/andrewegan1986 13d ago

Quisling was the term used for Nazi collaborators in France during WW2. Things... did not go well for them after the war.

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u/SubmittedToDigg 13d ago

Benedict Arnold is the truest OG traitor. That is exactly what happened to him.

His wife was a loyalist and had a huge hand in convincing him to betray, and the crown basically wanted nothing to do with a traitor after the fact.

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u/cleverleper 13d ago

Judas goat, kind of

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u/is_this_a_bird 14d ago

Uncle Tom?

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u/butyourenice 13d ago

I can see that, but I thought an Uncle Tom was obsequious, characterized by their accepting and “staying in their place”. I suppose in modern usage it has come to mean a minority who supports the oppression of that majority, even if it means hurting their own cause. I can’t help but think there’s a more specific (and less racist, or at least racially sensitive) term, but I suppose that works.

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 13d ago

Collaborator. History is full of them.

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u/chimchooree 14d ago edited 14d ago

It's not just any Nazi sympathizer--it's Charles Lindbergh.

*The series/book (by Philip Roth) is great, and I highly recommend it.

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u/Castun 14d ago

Who was an actual Nazi sympathizer too, btw.

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u/HerpankerTheHardman 13d ago

Oofa, that new documentary by Ken Burns - The U.S. and the Holocaust, kind of references Lindbergh's politics and political aspirations. It's so gd fascinating.

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u/Psydator 14d ago

alternate history

Feels too real rn.

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u/blacklite911 13d ago

Yea it was quite timely when it came out during Trump’s administration but it was in development before he won

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u/Bulky-Yam4206 14d ago edited 14d ago

Well there’s minorities that vote for conservatives, completely clueless that said conservatives would put them in said camps the moment the outlive their usefulness.

Anyone saying “these people suck, but not you, you’re one of the good ones,” they’re not going to defend you when the wolves do come for you.

(Edit: 'Murican Republicans in my DM's raging, my comment is a blanket comment on Conservatives politically worldwide and about all minorities, but yeah, you thought it was directly at you and about 'black people', says everything. Just leave a comment here in the comment chain, stay out of my DM's, I don't even live in America, lmao.)

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u/aLittleQueer 14d ago

Log Cabin Republicans have entered the chat.

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u/CharredLily 14d ago

Log cabin republicans have been kicked from the chat while licking the boot that kicked them. (From what I remember they were excluded from a prominent right wing convention)

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u/robinredrunner 14d ago

In Texas.

The group was also protesting the rejection of their request to host a booth at the convention — the second time in a row they’d been denied — where they hoped to share information about their organization.

Counterprotesters surrounded the Log Cabin members, wielding signs with homophobic slurs and phrases like “The Gay Life = AIDS Then Hell.” They pushed and spat and shoved their fingers in the faces of the gay Republicans.

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u/zerotrap0 14d ago

The Gay Life = AIDS Then Hell

No hate like "Christian love"...

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u/Willing-Tear7329 14d ago

That’s such a low effort sign too. It’s not even a catchy slogan lol.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum 14d ago

Their audience prefers simple messages of hate.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

This is why the “both sides are bad!” argument is such utter nonsense.

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u/njm1314 13d ago

At the same convention that adopted "Homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice" as part of their platform. As part of the foundation of their party.

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u/connstar97 14d ago

Don’t forget Florida Cubans!

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u/rockidr4 14d ago

A fun mix of people who hate communism because they were wealthy oligarchs whose stuff got confiscated, people who don't recognize that Cuban communism sucks because of the authoritarian parts not the economic parts, and people who are anti immigrant because now that they're in America they want to fit in more with the anti immigrant white people around them.

Interestingly, demographically younger Cubans who grew up their entire lives in Florida tend to be FAR less conservative than the older generations for all the same reasons millenials and zoomers are less conservative than Boomers and Gen X were. What fascinates me most is how when taking polling data, pollsters lump all Latin votes together even though Mexican immigrants broadly skew the opposite of Cuban immigrants, with the older generations favoring democrats and the younger generations favoring conservative positions on immigration and abortion. Not to mention Puerto Ricans also have radically different thoughts and opinions on stuff based on their experiences with American imperialism and the ways in which wealthy (and often absent) land owners screw with votes to petition for statehood.

I could go on like this, but basically we have major polling data flaws surrounding Latin voters because they get treated like their a pretty homogenous block like white or black voters when white Americans and African Americans frequently have far longer family histories in the US. I mean shit, how you refer to Latin people as a general group isn't even universally agreed on. Some will prefer latinx as the modern gender neutral term, and some view that as a hurtful English language construct imposed upon their language and culture. Some will prefer Latine, while others will say that skews too much toward latina rather than latino and isn't really all inclusive. Some just straight up want to go with latino because they haven't yet even achieved basic cultural visibility in this country and they want to achieve that before moving on to having a gender neutral term. Further, as I discussed before, politically things are complicated. There are people who prefer latino not only because it's tradition, but because it emphasizes the masculine.

TL;DR latin/latine/latinx/latino people are not a single homogeneous group and it bothers me how much media and data analytics people try to think about them like they are

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u/nishagunazad 14d ago

I just use Latin.

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u/Funkycoldmedici 14d ago

The only thing I ever hear anything about them is when the Republican Party doesn’t allow them at Republican events. It’s never anything else.

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u/Deathwatch050 14d ago

Because they have no other horn to blow. Their entire identity is "gay AND Republican", other Republican groups don't want anything to do with them because of the former, and gay groups don't want anything to do with them because of the latter. They can't even advocate for policy because, surprise surprise, Republican policy is antithetical to the gay part of their identity. The only reason they're of any relevance is their very strange political-existential position.

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u/lk05321 13d ago

What’s funny is the Republican Party has no consistent political positions across their factions other than cut taxes for the rich, deport non-whites, no gays, no abortions, no women.

So it’s odd that the Log Cabin Republicans take the official stance of No-Gays.

Why???

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u/LeoMarius 13d ago

Chickens for Colonel Sanders

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u/LucretiusCarus 14d ago

Log Cabin Republicans have entered the chat.

the closet.

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u/MrTomDawson 14d ago

I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite.

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u/Double-oh-negro 14d ago

Hispanics are the worst about this. I've had many discussions over the years with Hispanic friends and family members about why they vote for racist Southern Republicans who hate them. I've seen a dude with illegal parents vote for a senator that vowed to deport them. One of my Cuban family members voted for George Bush because he 'was a Christian'. My SIL is Puerto Rican, and she actually tried to defend Trump's response to the hurricane. When it comes to voting, my Hispanic relatives aren't any better than your average Confederate flag waving redneck.

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u/Kimantha_Allerdings 14d ago

I remember a few years ago there was a Trump voter who specifically wanted people deported and was then shocked Pikachu when their Hispanic spouse was deported. They thought they were “one of the good ones”.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- 13d ago

My step-mom's brother was deported when he went to complete his citizenship finally after 40 years having a greencard. Why now? Because he wanted to vote for Trump in 2020 to finish the wall, get rid of the illegals, own the libs, etc.

Anyway, they deported him because of a misdemeanor on his record from like 30 years ago using Trump's zero tolerance policy. LMAO.

I will never stop laughing at him for this.

(He's back in the states, now, after he settling his status).

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u/GHNeko 13d ago

This is only funny if he changed his politics otherwise I think that's just pity worthy.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- 13d ago

We don't chat much, and I'm not on facebook, but I'm going to guess that this didn't change his politics in the least. He's never been the type to put two and two together. Hope I'm wrong, though.

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u/Curious-Bumblebee675 13d ago

That was a fast fix, wasn't it? Less than 5 years

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u/Nerevarine91 14d ago

I remember that. He said he “wasn’t sure” if his vote was a mistake or not

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u/Nothammer 13d ago

Bro straight up yeeted his own wife out the country goddamn

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u/Rogue__Jedi 13d ago

Cheaper than divorce I guess.

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u/ReluctantAvenger 13d ago

No, I believe they actually visit and have been making endless requests for someone - anyone - in government to help them out. Cue crickets.

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u/striped_frog 13d ago

"I never thought they would yeet MY spouse," says bro who voted for the Yeeting People's Spouses Party

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u/CommercialSomewhere8 14d ago edited 14d ago

I agree as a Mexican, they just don't think they are talking about them... The Cubans think they mean the Mexicans. The Mexicans think they are talking about the Central Americans. The Central Americans hear Mexicans and they agree.

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u/OnceUponCheeseDanish 14d ago

When really the conservatives see no difference

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u/VelvetMafia 13d ago

Conservatives think everyone brown is Mexican. That or a jihadi terrorist.

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u/Competitive-Ad-5477 13d ago

Sometimes, the "you know they're talking about you, right? They hate you" causes them to pause and think about it. Sometimes you just gotta be blunt.

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u/Career_Much 13d ago

My Colombian family is also like this. Like, we immigrated legally, Tía and Abuelita are here illegally, but fuck the "aliens" because theyre all criminals and rapists? It's like they don't even know what they're saying! They learned English through Rush Limbaugh and it's terrifying.

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u/Double-oh-negro 13d ago

My wife's entire family was murdered by the Nazis. They're Jews and they escaped Poland like Anne Frank, hiding in store basements and sewers and eventually stowing away illegally on a ship. Everyone died except for her grandfather. He immediately has a child here (my FIL). My FIL has the audacity to sit at my dinner table and go Full Fox News about illegal Mexicans. I totally called him out. How do you condemn people running for their lives when you, in fact, only exist because your father ran for his life? He has no answer. He lives in the NE. Why does he even care what's happening on the border of New Mexico or California? It's like he'd forgotten that his entire family line only existed in my living room.

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u/given2fly_ 14d ago

Here in the UK, our former Home Secretary Priti Patel enacted anti-immigration laws that would have prevented her own parents from moving here.

To some degree with 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants there's a phenomenon of pulling away the ladder for everyone else.

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u/Yonand331 14d ago

It really is sad...

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u/yourbuddy_ 13d ago

2nd or 3rd gen? I know people who still have Indian citizenship who believe in that kind of rhetoric.

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u/fakeplasticdroid 14d ago

I'd extend that to other minorities, especially if they're religious. My parents are Asian and while they're not American, and not politically engaged, they are culturally conservative and I can totally see them being easily brainwashed by right wing propaganda and supporting Republicans in direct opposition to their own personal interests.

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u/Summerliving69 14d ago

Yup, agreed. My Asian friends showed me the racist election post cards their parents got in the mail.

In English, the cards talked about how "the democrats are only giving jobs to the blacks and illegals", vote these rebublicans. Where as the progressive Dems actually went out and canvased. Had other Asians and even people who were on the ballot knock on doors. The scare tactics didn't work since the parents can't read english well.

All they can do is remind them that the repubs talk like the ccp and wouldn't hesitate to treat them exactly like they treat the "othered" in China.

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u/999forever 13d ago

I immediately recall stories of people who were MAGA Republicans who voted for Trump, only to have their spouse or whatever deported and they are like *surprise pikachu”. I think some of them are so brainwashed they said they would have voted the same way.

The biggest MAGAhead I know happens to be Hispanic, married to a guy who is Native. It is almost bizarre. She likes to dress up in tacticool/military adjacent gear despite never serving. She’s also an atheist, smokes MJ nonstop, pro gay marriage and abortion access. Yet was totally on Train Trump. She couldn’t really say why except “Fuck the libs” and basically blames Democrats for everything.

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u/Double-oh-negro 13d ago

It's like those people who wear the Confederate Flag, but only want to be considered rebels. They don't agree with any of the history of the flag or the racism. They are all confused when people call them racists. It's like, dude, you're wearing the uniform.

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u/Noocawe 13d ago

I have family members like this who are POC. For some reason they can be the most immoral people most of the year, but when it comes to church or voting they do all the performative things necessary I make their ego feel better. In this case it's voting for conservatives that don't care about them etc. You can't really reason with people that think they are on the good team or have an unhealthy relationship with their religious beliefs.

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u/NRMusicProject 14d ago edited 13d ago

I was talking to a Cuban friend of mine about this. In Florida, you have the Cuban expats who risked their lives to escape communism, and there's a strong conservative agenda there explaining that communist Cuba is what the Democrats want. It's really hard to combat "the evil regime you escaped is still in this political party" fear mongering.

Honestly, you can't blame them. And with Marco Rubio being the party's token Latino, it's even harder to combat it right now. Hopefully someone figures out how.

E: Jesus, I know many redditors are all "yay communism," but you have to admit there's a horribly flawed government that has people risking their lives to escape in makeshift rafts. Of course people are going to be easily against anything that gets them closer to communism, especially if Cuba is the example they have. That's a real weird argument that "only the bad people escaped."

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u/veringo 14d ago

It's not just fear of communism. Certainly not all, but a lot of the people fleeing revolutions like those in Cuba or Vietnam were the wealthy elite who had something to lose. They didn't become conservative, they always were.

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u/GigaPuddi 13d ago

I'm half Cuban and one of the most telling conversations with my grandmother was discussing Trump and the Republicans' love of Russia. That part, and the reminder that the Russians have always been the enemy, opened her mind a bit.

The idea of her grandson possibly needing to flee Russian-backed oppression just like she did...she was sad.

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u/drjojoro 14d ago

When did people start replying to comments in comment sections with DMs? Am i just aging out of understanding internet culture?

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u/DogmanDOTjpg 14d ago

Usually unstable people, or people who want to say a bunch of horrible shit but they care too much about their pretend internet points to risk getting down voted by rational individuals

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u/Jaded-Moose983 14d ago

Bullies and cowards who have nothing to actually contribute.

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u/Stevenwave 14d ago

Classic move of the spineless.

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u/Knight_Owls 14d ago

That's exactly it. They do it to be out of sight.

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u/butyourenice 14d ago

It’s usually harassment rather than constructive comments. Often times I assume it means they’ve already been banned and are too lazy to create a new account.

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u/theamigan 13d ago

It's to say horrible shit out of the public eye. I would just post each DM complete with a u/ mention as an edit to the comment. Shine the light and watch the roaches scurry. Doesn't appear to be against the rules in this sub, anyway.

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u/matthudsonau 14d ago

Usually they want to say something that they know they'll get banned for, so they'll just stick it in a DM to try to skirt that

Jokes on them though, sitewide rules are still enforced for DMs

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u/VoodooMonkiez 14d ago

I’m Hispanic and the amount of times I’ve heard some racist ass shit come out of a “friends” mouth about Mexicans then turn around and be like, “oh but not like you, you’re not like them! You’re different… etc etc…” it’s insane and soo fucked up. For a while I used to buy into that rhetoric throughout high school until it finally clicked that these “friends” weren’t my friends and were actually huge pieces of shit and I didn’t need to keep trying to seek validation from these people.

If this is something you’ve heard from your “friends” it’s time you drop them out of your life and go make new friends.

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u/Sobuhutch 14d ago

I don't know if it's cluelessness, naivete, or both.

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u/MrTomDawson 14d ago

For some of them, like Andy Ngo, it seems to be about trying to prove worth and usefulness in the hopes of not becoming a victim, apparently willfully oblivious to the fact that if things go the way they want, he will eventually become a victim anyway. Maybe it's just a delaying action.

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u/TechnicolourOutSpace 14d ago

They think if they get enough power they can somehow delay/prevent that eventuality without realizing they're putting people into power who don't give a single shit about them and won't think about them when they're dragged into a gas chamber.

Delusion and bootlicking these monsters is no way to go through life.

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u/sundayontheluna 14d ago

'Matrix, you promised to kill me last' syndrome

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u/TurboGLH 14d ago

"I lied"

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u/irrelevant_user_name 14d ago

Did not expect to see a Commando reference in this thread.

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u/veggiejord 14d ago

Sometimes greed. A bunch of conservative politicians in the UK right now come to mind. Fully aware of the harm they do to their own communities but of a 'fuck you I've got mine' mindset.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 14d ago

Clarence Thomas is the epitome of this mindset.

Only got into Yale for his law degree because Yale was desegregated by the Civil Rights Act. And then his entire career in government was due to conservatives looking for a meatshield against accusations of racism.

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u/go4tli 13d ago edited 13d ago

Thomas was actually recruited as part of an affirmative action program at Yale Law to identify talented African-American students who ordinarily would be overlooked and place them.

He speaks Gullah and is from rural coastal Georgia, not a community that traditionally produces a large number of Federal Judges and high powered lawyers.

He claims he was treated so shabbily by hypocrite liberals at Yale it made him an ultra conservative.

Thomas also gives speeches and has writings about his “lazy” sister who went on welfare instead of working hard like he did.

Guess who sacrificed to put him through Yale Law.

Anyway the Court is gonna 6-3 Affirmative Action into the dustbin of history this term and I would bet a million dollars Justice Thomas is writing that decision all about how it’s demeaning actually.

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u/lt1brunt 14d ago

Don't forget Tim Scott. That guy is clueless as the day is long.

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u/go4tli 14d ago edited 14d ago Take My Energy
  1. The human need to belong is emotional, deeply rooted, and overwhelms the rational part of the brain. People need to belong to SOMETHING. Joining the winning team feels great.

  2. “I’m smarter than those guys, I’ll ride along and pretend, nothing bad will happen to me.”

  3. Some people really do believe they are inferior and adopting the politics of the people they believe are superior is a way for them to be in that better group. A variant of this is “politics passing”: if I act like a homophobe nobody will suspect I’m gay.

  4. “I don’t really believe in any of that shit, but what a great money making opportunity/way to have power.”

  5. Some people are just not that smart and cannot comprehend the natural consequences of policy choices. Any attempt to explain it to them makes them feel stupid so they reject it out of hand.

  6. Legitimate mental illness or emotional problems.

  7. “This will pass quickly, no need to worry. They won’t REALLY do X, it’s just rhetoric.”

Jewish Nazis: 2, 3, 7.

Brexit Fanatics: 4, 5, 7.

Infowars: 4, 6.

Log Cabin Republicans: 1, 3, 7.

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u/PowerandSignal 14d ago

Brilliant.

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u/Kursch50 14d ago

Excellent summation.

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u/AnOnlineHandle 14d ago

There's some people who seem to genuinely gravitate towards the biggest asshole around, like there's something broken in our monkey genes.

There's certain types of people who always end up in abusive relationships etc, always are ready to rush to address a crybully's crocodile tears while never showing any concern for their victims before that, etc. (e.g. a bully cries about their 'rights' being taken away when they face consequences, and these people rush to coddle and aid them and speak up about 'rights', yet never show any interest in all the people whose rights were impacted by those bullies, who didn't have as loud of a whining voice and weren't as big of assholes and so seem boring to these types of personalities)

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u/Binerexis 14d ago

here's some people who seem to genuinely gravitate towards the biggest asshole around, like there's something broken in our monkey genes.

One school of thought is that it's related to power projection.

If you have a guy in an expensive suit already in power with the means to change things for the better but doesn't, they're seen as more effective and "better" than someone in a cheap suit and has an actual implantation plan for change but hasn't been voted in.

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u/Adjectivenounnumb 14d ago

Slamming the door shut behind them

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u/Chazzermondez 14d ago

Eg. Latino Floridians voting in Ron DeSantis because of Democrat stances on immigration, despite Republican economic policies overall not benefitting them. Immigration policies are much easier to comprehend and carry more emotion with them than economic policies that can be written in ways that hide their negatives to those uneducated on complex economics.

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u/jwiz 14d ago
Funny fact about a cage, they're never built for just one group
So when that cage is done with them and you still poor, it come for you
The newest lowest on the totem, well golly gee, you have been used
You helped to fuel the death machine that down the line will kill you too

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u/captiveateher 14d ago
All of us serve the same masters, all of us nothin' but slaves

Never forget in the story of Jesus, the hero was killed by the state

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u/brimnac 13d ago
God damn that motherfucker cold

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u/TVR24 14d ago

The people dming you are just telling on themselves.

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u/Snowing_Throwballs 14d ago

Pretty telling that if you say conservative, that they immediately assume republican and defend the heinous shit those fucking morons do. Not exactly known for foresight or self reflection. Malding and whining mostly.

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u/Jack_Madee 14d ago

they’re not going to defend you when the wolves do come for you.

They're probably even one of the wolves, tbh.

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u/acepurpdurango 14d ago

I wish I could upvote your comment and upvote your edit as well!

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u/spookyballsHD 14d ago

Hey look, Ben Shapiro.

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u/i_have_chosen_a_name 14d ago

Shapiro is know for his self-owns like telling everybody he is incapable in making his wife's vagina wet. During WWII he would have ratted out the family that was hiding him and then scold the arresting SS for not doing their job properly and almost missing him.

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u/squaredk2 14d ago

I definitely would not say Shapiro is "known" for his comedy.....

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u/thegreatbrah 14d ago

Also my first thought.

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u/PM_ME_YELLOW 14d ago

Dave Rubin

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u/randy88moss 14d ago

Kinda like Candace Owens

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u/correspondence 14d ago

You mean Klandace Owens.

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u/17DeadFlamingos 14d ago

And Kanye

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u/Dat_Gradient 13d ago

Klanye?

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u/Nothammer 13d ago

Is there a pattern of black people being racist towards themselves and being named in a way that makes 'Klan' somewhere in their name possible?

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u/zeejay11 14d ago

More like Clandance Owens late to the joke

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u/turkishhousefan 14d ago

"Let's say, hypothetically, that I support the Nazis as they rise to power. Surely they will reward me in kind."

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u/_-__-__-__-__-_-_-__ 14d ago

Surely Daddy Elon and Daddy Donald will trickle down on me soon

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u/Sonicfret 14d ago

Oh, they have been trickling down for some time, now. Hint, that yellow water isn’t rain.

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u/Glitch_King 14d ago

Big systems are super good at recognizing individuals and not treating everyone within widely generalized groups the same!

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u/CousinSkeeter89 14d ago

When I was in college in my Political Science class we discussed the idea of Political Tribalism. My professor would say, “People are so stuck up their own asses regarding their political affiliations that they will vote for their own executions if ‘their guy’ advocates for it.”

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u/OarsandRowlocks 14d ago

r/LeopardenhabenmeinGesichtgefressen

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u/macabre_trout 14d ago

Gesundheit!

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u/dialectrical 14d ago

Rolls off the tongue

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u/dcd120 14d ago

reminds me of Gays Against Groomers or Gays for Trump

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u/50bucksback 14d ago

Obviously not as bad, but these groups are already being banned from attending republican conventions

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u/LordPubes 14d ago

Reminds of that “Blacks For Trump” guy

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u/Kheead 14d ago

German nationalism as in "Emperor and Empire" was something a lot of Jewish people in Germany were cool with. Jewish men fought for the german empire in WW1. The idea that their entire existence will be questioned only 18 years later by a political movement that to some degree wanted to reinstate another empire was absolutely unthinkable.

At that time in history european nationalism itself was not directly related to antisemitism, not more at least than the 1000 years before.

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u/SirButcher 14d ago

The Nazi party openly blamed the communists and the Jews for EVERYTHING. Even if you were extremely naive and believed you are safe, Hitler published Mein Kampf in 1925 which pretty well described his ideas.

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u/Glittering-Walrus228 14d ago

bread lines?

jews.

long commute to work?

jews.

soggy schnitzel?

believe it or not, jews.

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u/Ferrax47 14d ago

Well when he moved to Germany he should have known about the soggy schnitzel. "Tunke" just ruins it

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u/KnightFox 14d ago

I don't think many people ever actually read Mein Kampf. It's kind of terrible. They may have had a copy but to actually read the thing is burtal. Hitler was not a good writer.

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u/Kheead 14d ago

That is correct, but this degree of anti jew sentiment has been around Europe for hundreds of years and they coped with it. The step of blaming them to actually murdering millions is a little bit more than what everyone was expecting.

We have the same situation today. People openly blame the mexicans and africans and every minority possible for everything and use this for their political campaign on their way to power. Do people expect us to murder them in concentration camps? No, cause that is so unthinkable you wouldn't consider it. Like back in the 1930s, it was unthinkable.

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u/Uranophan 14d ago

But there is a big difference between the 100 years before and the 10 years before. "Modern" antisemitism just came up in the early 20th century. Before it was antijudaism, which usually could be evaded by converting to Christianity. It was in the early 20th century when people were thinking of Jews as a race and not a religion anymore and it is course not possible to "change your race".

The German society had quite a lot of antisemites at the time and it was quite common on the right spectrum of politics...

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u/DapperDonkey98 14d ago

I remember reading about some Mexican skinheads showing up to a racist music festival in Idaho and they were like thank you for supporting us, now please leave

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u/No_Berry2976 14d ago

You point out what the Jews who supported Hitler thought.

They believed the racism was political rhetoric and that Hitler objected to Jews who identified as Jewish rather than German.

They did not understand that the racism was real.

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u/Dmatix 14d ago

Conversation was never a true refuge for anyone. Converts were always suspected of being cheaters, and the Spanish Inquisition for example focused on them more than nearly any other group.

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u/AnAngryBitch 14d ago

I had a terrific (for high school) history teacher. One of the students asked on our section of WWII "Why didn't the Jewish people just leave?"

She explained "You've lived in the same neighborhood for 2, 3, or 4 generations. Your father and uncles and grandfathers fought during WWI. Your family's had the same neighbors for over 100 years. Most of them thought Hitler was a 'passing phase' and NEVER expected their neighbors and friends to turn on them."

The entire classroom sat silent for a few minutes after that one.

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u/n1c0_ds 14d ago

Not only that, but leaving meant losing most of your possessions. There was a period where the Nazi government both wanted the jews to leave and made it absurdly expensive to do so.

Another little-stated fact is that the Nazi government considered various options and deportation was one of them, but other countries were not willing to receive the Jewish immigrants. People underestimate how rampant antisemitism was at the time.

I highly recommend the first episodes of the Martyrmade podcast, as it does a good job of depicting the social context at the time. Wages of Destruction explains the socioeconomic situation really well.

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u/cAt_S0fa 14d ago

Many did leave and sought refuge in neighbouring countries which were then occupied. Anne Frank is probably the most famous example. The first safe country a refugee gets to may not stay safe.

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u/gurnard 14d ago

Also, Germany had for at least 100 years the most accepting and safe place for Jews in Europe, probably ever. German Jews were citizens, fully participating in German public life, as well as establishing Jewish cultural and learning institutions.

Why would you even think of leaving? Where would you go? Volunteer to be a persecuted minority somewhere else, when this whole thing in your home would surely blow over soon enough.

My Jewish great-grandparents fled pogroms to come to Australia just before WW1. If a far-right anti-Semitic leader were elected here, my first thought would be to get more politically involved, help to get them voted out, not fear for my life, it would be ridiculous to think it could happen here. That's how German Jews would have felt.

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u/Amuseco 13d ago

I just started reading a book called Prisoner B-8037 by Alan Gratz about a Jewish family in Poland in the early 1940s and it addresses this from the beginning. For example, the boy’s (main character) father keeps saying this will pass, everything will be all right as things gradually start getting worse. Or an older woman who says she remembers the Germans from the first World War, and how they were good people so there’s nothing to worry about.

Then all of a sudden it was too late.

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u/avskaffamonarkin 14d ago

Also, if I recall correctly, the initial plans were to deport the Jews. Primarily to other countries, but none really wanted to take them in, and later to Madagascar. British naval blockades prevented the implementation of the deportation, and as they lost the Battle of Britain, they started exterminating them.

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u/Kvetch__22 14d ago

At that time in history european nationalism itself was not directly related to antisemitism, not more at least than the 1000 years before.

That's not necessarily true. People like Karl Leuger and Edourd Drumont had been pioneering racial antisemitism since the 1870s (as opposed to purely religious antisemitism). Look up the Dreyfus Affair as a prime example.

I would argue that the nationalists were also the central antisemites going back to the 1800s and the emergence of popular nationalism, especially in the wake of 1848. The monarchies were just a construct of inertia that nationalist movements eventually worked around or simply destroyed.

Even in World War 1, the most vehement nationalist supporters of war were often people who saw the monarchies as a hinderence. Generally speaking, neither Kaiser nor the Tsar wanted a pan-European war, but were forced to wage one by the actions of military men who did.

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u/pusillanimouslist 14d ago

At the time the major antisemitic power was Russia by a large amount. The Romanovs were antisemitic to a degree that was notable and socially uncomfortable to other royal houses at the time, who themselves were obviously pretty comfortable with casual bigotry. There was one particular incident where the Tsar refused to speak to a Jewish official at a state dinner out of apparent terror, which was quite the faux pas. Russia also had been having repeated pogroms over the years, so the blood thirsty will was there, even if they thankfully always lacked the competence to pull off a full holocaust.

If you’d told someone from 1914 that Europe was going to have a full communist takeover and a mechanized pogrom killing millions within the next 30 years, they probably wouldn’t have been surprised. If you told them that the communists were Russian and that the state based on violent, industrial antisemitism was Germany they’d probably die of shock. Everyone, up to and including Lenin himself expected the communist revolution to center on Germany. And for the previous century or so the reactionary muscle of Europe had been Czarist Russia. So for Germany to turn out the way it did was quite the shock to a lot of people.

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u/Cooky1993 14d ago edited 14d ago

Exactly, outside of pogroms in Eastern europe/Russia, there hadn't been widespread violence against Jews for centuries. Germany had generally been a haven for Jews in Europe, where if they worked hard and proclaimed themselves to be German they had a place. Sure, it was probably lower than that of an ethnic German of the otherwise same socio-economic standing as them, but it was a place, and generally a safe one and one in which you could still prosper.

Anti-semitism was rife in Germany at the time (1918-1933), but it was probably less of an issue day to day for your average Jew than racism against black people was in the US at that same time, or the persecution of catholics in Northern Ireland was at that time. They weren't segregated, they weren't lynched and they weren't legally barred from certain jobs. A Jewish family could become comfortably middle class still. This isn't to say that it wasn't a problem, but that the problem was something that they had learned to live with the same way people learn to live with disability, diseases or poverty.

The idea that it could escalate to what it became was ludicrous to most people at that time. Germany was a nation of law and order, and those laws protected everyone.

I say this not to justify the people who voted for the Nazis, but so that we can understand it, and by that understanding avoid falling into that same trap.

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u/Bad_Mad_Man 14d ago

Reminds of a current situation but can’t put my finger on it. /S

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u/MyPigWhistles 14d ago edited 14d ago

I would like to add that more German jews volunteered in WW1 than other Germans in relative terms.

The Jewish community was very divided between the zionists, who didn't want to be Germans and would rather settle in Palestine, and the German nationalists, who wanted to overcome antisemitism and be Germans. And during WW1 there was a widespread belief that this would be the chance for the German jews to finally prove that they are loyal Germans. That the shared war experience would finally overcome antisemitism.

And after the war was lost, everything was blamed on them. Hitler literally murdered the war veterans he served with, his own comrades.

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u/Hadrollo 14d ago

In 1920, Hitler openly campaigned for the the "removal of Jews from our Volk" in a two hour long speech titled "Are we anti-Semites" - I should add, the speech was attempting to justify the position rather than object to the label.

There's no ambiguity in Hitler's position, from his earliest public statements he was openly against Jewish people and thought they were inferior.

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u/No_Berry2976 14d ago

There is an important lesson here.

Today we still refuse to take people who say extreme things seriously.

It’s a joke, it’s sarcasm, it’s hyperbole, it’s an attempt to fire up the base…

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u/UnoriginalJunglist 14d ago

Nope. Their explicit aims were to fully integrate German Jews and eradicate their Jewish identity altogether.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

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u/LeftNutOfCthulhu 14d ago

The french had a pretty nationalist + antisemitic period in the 19th century. There was precident.

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u/BlueJay_NE 14d ago

I think it’s common for some members of an oppressed group to relate/fit in with their oppressors in order to try to survive. They probably thought they were protecting themselves and their families. Sadly, we all know that approach is always doomed to failure.

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u/Usagiyama 14d ago

Happened the same in Italy, a good portion of the members of the National Fascist Party (Partito Nazionale Fascista) that marched on Rome in 1922 were Jewish.

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u/thegreatbrah 14d ago

I guess im a bit ignorant here, but was antisemitism pretty big in Italy at the time too? I know there were aligned with the nazis, but did they also go that route?

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u/Usagiyama 14d ago

Depends - Mussolini himself went back and forth quite a lot before the full "alignment" with Germany in 1938, wildly ranging from the common sentiment of "Russia fell because of a Jewish-bolshevik plot" that the entirety of the Western world followed to a "There is no distinction between Jews and non-Jews, Italy is the new Zion", and as a whole, between the Giolitti era (1903-1921) and the "early" Fascist period (1922-1937), Italy was a relatively tolerant place for Jewish people, to the point that the National Fascist Party declared in 1923 that they would never adhere to the anti-semitic policies that the other authoritarian governments that were imitating Fascism were adopting.

Well, we all know how that went.

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u/Wandering_Apology 14d ago

every time i see Queer, Black, Women, Latinos or Asian people voting conservative i feel contempt

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u/Competitive-Ad-5477 13d ago

Same. I've gotten to the point where I'm like, if you don't know by now you don't want to know.

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u/Sanjuro7880 14d ago

Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

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u/Emerald_Lavigne 14d ago

Somebody quick send this to Peter Thiel, Andrew Sullivan, and the Log Cabin Republicans...

Cuz they're actually umm potential future victims of the politicians they advance.

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u/lliiilllollliiill 14d ago

Thiel's rich enough to shield himself from danger multiple times over., but I think has some profoundly nihilistic and misanthropic thing going on anyhow so may prioritise those over his own longterm safety.

The rest of them, not so much.

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u/omarsplif 14d ago

Let the leopards eat.

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u/zaphodsheads 14d ago

There's some level of irony here, even if I agree with the overall message

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u/thatcantb 14d ago

Just like Republicans - oh please take away our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Raise our taxes and put even more guns on our streets. Deregulate businesses, encourage monopolies, and strip consumer protections. Throw us into deeper poverty, sickness, and death - please!

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u/sync-centre 14d ago

Useful idiots.

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u/xHandelx 14d ago

“The Association of German National Jews was founded in 1921 by Max Naumann, who was its chairman until 1926 and again from 1933 to 1935, when the association was dissolved.[1] The association was close to the national conservative and monarchist German National People's Party which, however, refused affiliation to the Association.[2]

The goal of the Association was the total assimilation of Jews into the German Volksgemeinschaft, self-eradication of Jewish identity, and the expulsion from Germany of Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe.[3] Naumann was especially opposed to Zionists and Eastern European Jews. He considered the former a threat to Jewish integration and carriers of a "racist" ideology serving British imperial purposes. He saw the latter as racially and spiritually inferior.[3]

The association's official organ was the monthly Der nationaldeutsche Jude edited by Max Naumann. The magazine had a circulation of 6,000 in 1927.[4]

Among the activities of the Association was the fight against the Jewish boycott of German goods.[5] It also issued a manifesto that stated that the Jews were being fairly treated.

In 1934 the Association made the following statement:[6]

We have always held the well-being of the German people and the fatherland, to which we feel inextricably linked, above our own well-being. Thus we greeted the results of January 1933, even though it has brought hardship for us personally. A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism was only for the purpose of "stirring up the masses".[1]

The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".[7][8]

Despite the extreme patriotism of Naumann and his colleagues, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp. He was released after a few weeks, and died of cancer in May 1939.”

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u/RedMenace_48 14d ago

Remember that Mr. Shapiro…

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u/DingleTheDongle 14d ago

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u/JOHNNYICHIBAN 14d ago

"Max Naumann (12 January 1875 – 18 May 1939) was the founder of Verband nationaldeutscher Juden (League of National German Jews), which called for the elimination of Jewish ethnic identity through Jewish assimilation. The league was outlawed by the Nazis on 18 November 1935."

Fool, smh...

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u/daudder 14d ago

Let's give credit where credit is due.

The Zionist underground Lehi, a.k.a. The Stern gang was unabashedly pro-Fascist and is on record to actively supporting Mussolini and seeking an alliance with the Nazi's, per Wikipedia):

Lehi split from the Irgun militant group in 1940 in order to continue fighting the British during World War II. It initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on "nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance".

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u/DoublefartJackson 14d ago

Yeah, nowadays the term is "pick me"